Comments on: How to Discuss Childhood Immunization with Reluctant Parents https://cruciallearning.com/blog/how-to-discuss-childhood-immunization-with-reluctant-parents/ VitalSmarts is now Crucial Learning Thu, 19 Sep 2019 00:43:18 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.2 By: notidlechatter https://cruciallearning.com/blog/how-to-discuss-childhood-immunization-with-reluctant-parents/#comment-6947 Thu, 19 Sep 2019 00:43:18 +0000 https://www.vitalsmarts.com/crucialskills/?p=7794#comment-6947 In reply to Janet.

I agree with you 100% Janet. A good deal of ‘training’ is now seeking to help doctors coerce parents to accept vaccines – even when they are very hesitant. Hundreds of doctors and nurses have take the time to investigate the science and now speak out against a one size fits all vaccine program. Many healthy babies have experienced obvious vaccine injury including longterm neurological impairment and death as a result of strong pressure to inject vaccines. A system that needs to use coercion should be examined carefully by all thinking people – including those who have been trained by the system to think ‘vaccines are safe and effective, have conquered infectious disease, and not giving vaccines is going to cause public health repercussions.’ Vaccines are not about health or infectious disease. There are plenty of infectious diseases children go to school with every day, yet more and more states are restricting the ability of healthy children from attending school. And these non vaccinated children are far healthier than most of their vaccinated peers. Vaccines are about a multi billion dollar industry and a lot of careers on the line if the truth were to ever reach mainstream. Politicians are supposed to serve their constituents but the recent events in California clearly show where their allegiance lies. Those of us who understand the horrific underbelly of this issue need Crucial Skills to educate others. Skills for Change. Change for Good.

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By: SJC https://cruciallearning.com/blog/how-to-discuss-childhood-immunization-with-reluctant-parents/#comment-6946 Sun, 01 Sep 2019 01:45:46 +0000 https://www.vitalsmarts.com/crucialskills/?p=7794#comment-6946 In reply to Velta Worley.

My unvaccinated children are 29 and 25, which is why I can offer a bit of perspective. This is not a new phenomena. When my children were young and the chicken pox vaccine came out I told them to mark my words, this common disease will be made into a horrible disease in no time to influence parents. First, it was voluntary and the selling point was that parents would not need to miss work if their child contracted it. I also knew the voluntary option would not last.

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By: SJC https://cruciallearning.com/blog/how-to-discuss-childhood-immunization-with-reluctant-parents/#comment-6945 Sun, 01 Sep 2019 01:40:16 +0000 https://www.vitalsmarts.com/crucialskills/?p=7794#comment-6945 In reply to notidlechatter.

Yes, be more skeptical. Imagine the difference if providers had been more skeptical when they were sold a bill of goods related to oxycontin. It is my opinion that a similar story will be played out with vaccines.

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By: SJC https://cruciallearning.com/blog/how-to-discuss-childhood-immunization-with-reluctant-parents/#comment-6944 Sun, 01 Sep 2019 01:36:38 +0000 https://www.vitalsmarts.com/crucialskills/?p=7794#comment-6944 In reply to Janet.

I appreciate your bringing up the vaccine injury fund. Most are unfamiliar.

An individual needs only to pause a moment to consider if one is forced to have foreign material injected into their body against their will what is next? True you might be pro-vaccination but what if the next forced procedure or medication is something you do not want? Might we insist that all who have cancer submit to the recommended treatment regardless of patient preference?

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By: SJC https://cruciallearning.com/blog/how-to-discuss-childhood-immunization-with-reluctant-parents/#comment-6943 Sun, 01 Sep 2019 01:28:50 +0000 https://www.vitalsmarts.com/crucialskills/?p=7794#comment-6943 In reply to Laridae Ravenwings.

Mr. Maxfield laid out a very polite approach to how one might find common ground on a topic with opposing view points and you choose to begin your reply with name calling.

Individuals concerned about vaccines come to their decision from a variety of reasonings, just as those who choose to vaccinate. In fact they are likely much more informed than the average person choosing vaccines. Thus it would be inaccurate to say they are not big on science. In fact some are scientifically trained. Additionally, opposition has been present LONG before the Russian trolls launched their war.

As a historical point it was these concerned parents that had thimerosal removed from many vaccines, which makes them safer for everyone. We owe them a debt of gratitude.

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By: Janet https://cruciallearning.com/blog/how-to-discuss-childhood-immunization-with-reluctant-parents/#comment-6942 Fri, 30 Aug 2019 16:46:41 +0000 https://www.vitalsmarts.com/crucialskills/?p=7794#comment-6942 In reply to Laridae Ravenwings.

The opposite is actually true. Those in the vaccine awareness group choose not vaccinate based on science….or the lack of science and safety. Since no true placebo safety testing has ever been done and the pharmaceutical industry is no longer held liable for injuries and death when it comes to vaccines….although 4 BILLION dollars has been paid out for vaccine injuries and death though a special court funded with taxpayer money…..then parents have every right to be cautious, to question and to refuse vaccines. Parents should not to be pressured into receiving vaccines by doctors and nurses who have been trained on how to coerce parents through persuasive dialogue. I believe that parents are intelligent enough to do their own research and that they need to learn to trust their God-given instincts when it comes to making important decisions for their children and family.

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By: ppetersen57 https://cruciallearning.com/blog/how-to-discuss-childhood-immunization-with-reluctant-parents/#comment-6941 Thu, 29 Aug 2019 04:31:17 +0000 https://www.vitalsmarts.com/crucialskills/?p=7794#comment-6941 In reply to notidlechatter.

Thank you for adding facts here. Both sides could learn from the other to arrive at more reasonable approaches, like a delayed vaccine schedule.

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By: Crucial Conversations | Journey Boost https://cruciallearning.com/blog/how-to-discuss-childhood-immunization-with-reluctant-parents/#comment-6940 Wed, 28 Aug 2019 17:42:08 +0000 https://www.vitalsmarts.com/crucialskills/?p=7794#comment-6940 […] Q&A by David Maxfield from Crucial Skills: How to discuss immunizations with reluctant parents inspired me to write my own Q&A. I have a high regard for their work even though I hold an […]

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By: Carole Widmer https://cruciallearning.com/blog/how-to-discuss-childhood-immunization-with-reluctant-parents/#comment-6939 Wed, 28 Aug 2019 15:24:11 +0000 https://www.vitalsmarts.com/crucialskills/?p=7794#comment-6939 I appreciate the article’s suggestions on having a dialogue and wanting to understand the person’s point of view. It truly helps to approach tough topics with the attitude that you are not seeking to win an argument versus understand the other person’s point of view.

For the suggested verbiage, I have one suggestion. I do not recommend using the phrase, would you mind? As it is a yes/ no question, it could lead the person to think yes – I do mind which leads your conversation in a negative direction. Instead perhaps asking, “Would you like to hear more information about the measles, so you’ll have all the facts before you decide about the vaccine?” is a better option.

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By: Velta Worley https://cruciallearning.com/blog/how-to-discuss-childhood-immunization-with-reluctant-parents/#comment-6938 Wed, 28 Aug 2019 14:35:05 +0000 https://www.vitalsmarts.com/crucialskills/?p=7794#comment-6938 My children are grown, but if I had children today I would be skeptical of vaccinating them due to the HIGH incidence of autism. I applaud my children who are not having their children get vaccines. One of my grandson’s screamed for 48 hours after the measles vaccine at 2 yrs of age. That was enough for them to make the decision about future vaccines.

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