Comments on: The Return of the Rational—Separating Facts vs. Stories https://cruciallearning.com/blog/the-return-of-the-rational-separating-facts-vs-stories/ VitalSmarts is now Crucial Learning Mon, 09 Oct 2017 15:26:23 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.2 By: 5 ways to prepare for a hostile audience - SC Executive Coaching, Reflecting Excellence https://cruciallearning.com/blog/the-return-of-the-rational-separating-facts-vs-stories/#comment-5665 Mon, 09 Oct 2017 15:26:23 +0000 http://www.vitalsmarts.com/crucialskills/?p=6704#comment-5665 […] Joseph Granny. The Return of the Rational- Separating the Facts vs. Stories […]

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By: Matt R https://cruciallearning.com/blog/the-return-of-the-rational-separating-facts-vs-stories/#comment-5664 Thu, 20 Jul 2017 01:40:04 +0000 http://www.vitalsmarts.com/crucialskills/?p=6704#comment-5664 I thought it was a great question and had the same thought myself having reading the relevant chapter just last week. But to my disappointment it appeared to me that Mr. Grenny answered an “alternate question” instead of the one asked. I agree with other commenters that felt that the questioner was unfairly treated. I don’t think the questioner was claiming any sort of superiority rather legitimately wondering about how to apply the model in current times given the assumption in the book is that the “facts are the least controversial” and the scenarios in the book tend to treat facts as facts.
I certainly have felt that it is beyond frustrating when even the “facts” are controversial.
In the end, I do appreciate the advice given to gently get to the “why.” But if that why is that they belief false information, there will probably be a lot of work necessary to resolve that point.

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By: Janice Bellaire https://cruciallearning.com/blog/the-return-of-the-rational-separating-facts-vs-stories/#comment-5663 Thu, 06 Jul 2017 23:03:06 +0000 http://www.vitalsmarts.com/crucialskills/?p=6704#comment-5663 In reply to Betsy Cutler.

Betsy, What are your views of the Union and the world?

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By: b https://cruciallearning.com/blog/the-return-of-the-rational-separating-facts-vs-stories/#comment-5662 Sat, 18 Mar 2017 17:28:10 +0000 http://www.vitalsmarts.com/crucialskills/?p=6704#comment-5662 in case the relevance wasn’t clear, in a “post-truth” society, these skills become much less important than how to “act it out”.

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By: b https://cruciallearning.com/blog/the-return-of-the-rational-separating-facts-vs-stories/#comment-5661 Sat, 18 Mar 2017 17:16:51 +0000 http://www.vitalsmarts.com/crucialskills/?p=6704#comment-5661 the emotional insight i hear in your writing is usually so inspiringly profound as this log; thank you.

for >10 years now i’ve been a student of the crucial skills newsletters hoping to become so insightful…, BUT recently i was hashing things out in the therapist’s office and (the next day) had a realization that one of the stories i bought from you has been really hard to tame!

i’d been telling myself for years and years that most reasonable, rational, and decent (dare i say emotionally mature???) human beings will act it out if they don’t talk it out. (the implication being acting it out can have bad consequences so we should try to avoid that if possible in order to maintain safety and relationships; talking it out is one way of doing so, addressing issues before they become more riskily acted out.)

…and yet, the lessons from the therapist’s office couldn’t have been clearer or more impactful: some people much prefer acting it out…and that’s totally their very reasonable prerogative;
maybe it’s because they feel it’s more realistic and are otherwise scared of being “politicked” or “out-talked”(…”out-spoken” doesn’t have the connotation i’m going for there at all…),
maybe it’s because they feel as though they don’t have enough time for such an investment (i know a major theme here is that it actually costs more time AND money in a business setting not to have crucial conversations/accountability, but i’m not the one who needs convincing!),
maybe it’s because they just don’t want to be that intimate with me… (because i’m “intense”, understandably, when i try to talk things out…)

regardless my sense of entitlement to what i consider adult conversation was giving my romantic and professional lives a slant that was sabotaging all my relationships and ultimately threatens to cost me my 8-year PhD in a very real, very may-not-even-get-a-master’s-degree kind of way, and i (jokingly) blame this filter bubble!

i think that’s largely because i was about 20 when i started reading these newsletters and thought i was just behind if i didn’t understand these concepts, so i internalized them without much question; how could i have known how few readers you were reaching at that point…
please take over the world immediately with an emotional education curriculum that i can start my children off on so that this doesn’t have to happen ever again! haha

hopefully i can adapt the lessons i learn from you to this next level of growth; thanks a lot for the years of insight.

(+ fun fact and case in point: i, like you, was just harping on the etymology of communication last week… but all by my lonesome since patiently walking my dean back down his path to concluding my lack of professionalism looks too much to him like questioning the politically protected subjectivity of his authority at this point no matter how many crucial skills i use…)

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By: Doreen Boettcher https://cruciallearning.com/blog/the-return-of-the-rational-separating-facts-vs-stories/#comment-5660 Tue, 14 Mar 2017 21:22:35 +0000 http://www.vitalsmarts.com/crucialskills/?p=6704#comment-5660 In reply to Michele Smith.

Thanks for sharing that, Michele; it’s a great one to remember!

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By: Rogelio De León-Jones https://cruciallearning.com/blog/the-return-of-the-rational-separating-facts-vs-stories/#comment-5659 Tue, 14 Mar 2017 18:25:56 +0000 http://www.vitalsmarts.com/crucialskills/?p=6704#comment-5659 Dear Joseph,

An apropos question for our times, and a keen response on your part.

In my opinion, the concept of POST-TRUTH –the Oxford English Dictionary word for 2016–, is very pertinent and relevant in shaping the widespread phenomenon discussed here.

Thank you for the learning opportunity.

Dr. Rogelio De León-Jones
Panamá

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By: Joan P https://cruciallearning.com/blog/the-return-of-the-rational-separating-facts-vs-stories/#comment-5658 Mon, 13 Mar 2017 17:11:35 +0000 http://www.vitalsmarts.com/crucialskills/?p=6704#comment-5658 In reply to Nancy T.

I would agree. I think for those trying to find common ground, they are assumed the fool.

With science being called into question, and the media brushed with a broad stroke, anyone seeking to find common ground should be applauded.

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By: Kathryn Krupowicz https://cruciallearning.com/blog/the-return-of-the-rational-separating-facts-vs-stories/#comment-5657 Sat, 11 Mar 2017 16:23:51 +0000 http://www.vitalsmarts.com/crucialskills/?p=6704#comment-5657 I really enjoyed reading this. I am the person you described, quoting back articles without remembering the details or facts. I will try this method. Thank you

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By: Curt https://cruciallearning.com/blog/the-return-of-the-rational-separating-facts-vs-stories/#comment-5656 Fri, 10 Mar 2017 22:21:41 +0000 http://www.vitalsmarts.com/crucialskills/?p=6704#comment-5656 Great Article and a nice reminder to search out the core truth of conversations to ensure we are all listening and addressing key issues and/or concerns which can often be surrounded by various emotions.

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