Comments on: Changing Racist Behavior https://cruciallearning.com/blog/changing-racist-behavior/ VitalSmarts is now Crucial Learning Wed, 19 May 2010 18:45:20 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.2 By: Laura https://cruciallearning.com/blog/changing-racist-behavior/#comment-797 Wed, 19 May 2010 18:45:20 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=648#comment-797 Prejudice is a part of all people…racism- is a rare event.Prejudice is generally based on ignorance, bad experiences, or lack of exposure to different cultures, values, opinions, etc. My personal prejudice could be people that wear corduroy or people who wear parkas in the summer. There is racial prejudice, but that isn’t racism and that isn’t the major prejudice that most people carry today. Racism, exhibited by Hitler, Stalin, Mao, etc., is based on the need to downgrade or eliminate others so that he/she can feel better about themselves– so in a nutshell, racism is more likely to be about self-hatred than pride or ego. Helping see value in everyone is the best way to move forward and eliminating the mis-use of the word racism is a start.

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By: Mary Beth Petersen https://cruciallearning.com/blog/changing-racist-behavior/#comment-796 Wed, 28 Apr 2010 13:43:33 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=648#comment-796 This is an excellent example of eliminating a negative force in the culture. Do you have an example of using the Influencer 6 sources to promote a positive force in the culture? Thank you. MBP

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By: Pat Burger https://cruciallearning.com/blog/changing-racist-behavior/#comment-795 Mon, 19 Apr 2010 13:36:22 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=648#comment-795 Great dialogue! I would add the National Coalition Building Institute as a resource. They have been doing eliminating oppression work for over 20 years. They stress the need to hear people’s stories and not use blame when confronting oppressive remarks. Their training in concert with Crucial Conversations would be really powerful.

Thanks to all for your thoughts.

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By: Brian https://cruciallearning.com/blog/changing-racist-behavior/#comment-794 Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:31:13 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=648#comment-794 How refreshing to read respectful dialogue about this issue! I work on a college campus in a conservative state, and this is very challenging. Moreover, with colleagues, we have many complicated layers of understanding and intention.

I think it is important to not only deal with the cosmetic, such as celebrations and such, but looking at our histories, experiences, pain, privilege, and oppression to help people understand what they don’t experience.

Its really funny (and by that I mean uncomfortable) when I’m participating in diversity education, and as a hetero, white, able-bodied, 6’5 man, when I express something that acknowledges the existence of systematic oppressions such as racism, people from dominant groups respond. When someone from a non-dominant group expresses the same idea, often in a more articulate and researched way that I, people often shut down or respond disrespectfully.

In my organization, it has been amazing to see the results with our students when other student leaders break through some of the perceived barriers of diversity education (its not my fault, I didn’t cause this, I treat everyone ‘the same’), and really start to understand that this sort of work is not about automatically disregarding the life struggles we all face, but that ‘privilege’ is really just a way to qualify those terrible things people in dominant or over-represented groups are spared from suffering.

Thanks again for the sincere and committed dialogue.

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By: Rick Quinn https://cruciallearning.com/blog/changing-racist-behavior/#comment-793 Fri, 16 Apr 2010 15:04:03 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=648#comment-793 I’m not sure I entirely agree with your approach on this issue, I do applaud you for approaching this sensitive issue. “Changing racist behavior” as a goal has as it’s focal point the negative, frightening, slippery group of overt and covert behaviors called racism.

A more effective focus and goal statement might be to “build cultural competence”, which has as it’s focal point, building and competence and a skill set rather than the stifling of unwanted behaviors. With that goal in mind using the Influencer model pretty much as you’ve laid it out in the article is a great way to begin doing the same work from a (pardon the use a an overused buzz phrase here, but it fits) strength based approach. What do you think?

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By: Veronica Froelich Adams https://cruciallearning.com/blog/changing-racist-behavior/#comment-792 Fri, 16 Apr 2010 04:24:48 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=648#comment-792 Hear hear! for the Greg Owens’ comment above regarding the great work of the People’s Institute.

I had a concern reading Mr. Maxfield’s well-intended piece on racism that placed diversity education low on the list of solutions, when it should be at the top. As others have pointed out, there is a difference between unconscious blunders and unintended insensitivities by majority groups, and hate-filled behaviors. There should be zero tolerance for the latter, for sure. But the latter is generally rather easy to identify, and far less common than the former — And so, without such a diversity “crisis,” most institutions never deal with the education that could create a truly welcoming and thriving environment for all. The unconscious structural nature of the “isms” that Mr. Owens referred to is what needs to be seen in order for it to be transformed. Majority groups rarely are able to discern that easily for themselves, for they are the creators of their “norm.”

It the unconscious behaviors of well-meaning people that are so insidious and pervasive, the countless “micro inequities” that occur every day in the most workplaces — that build up and can cause people of color and women and elders and people with disabilities and gays and religious minorities, etc. to “over” react at times out of frustration — Which then causes majority groups to shut down, avoid them, walk on eggshells, resent, etc.
The education piece, well done, by groups such as PI (or my company), would help so very many workplaces to avoid this unnecessary cycle of hurt feelings and miscommunications and conflict in the first place. It’s important to get diversity trainers who go beneath the surface to look at this deeper level. Unfortunately, most diversity training does not, and therefore little is learned or accomplished, and mutual frustration remains, entrenched.

It was the “Seeking Safety” piece which was also posted yesterday that contained an especially big gap that deeply troubles me as a diversity trainer. The staff referred to in the article was mostly “not white” who, we were told, are frequently subjected by the mostly white patients to racial slurs and epithets. The counsel offered in the article was directed to the people of color and how they should deal with it. — What about the white staff there (even if there aren’t many of them)? They are in the best position to be “allies” to their colleagues and, when they witness such abuses, to let white patients know that racist behaviors are not acceptable. That is the most effective tool for combating any of the “isms”: When men call other men on their sexism, it’s far more effective than when “over-reactive” women do it. When straight people call out others on their homophobic comments, and so on.

Again, it is very concerning to me that the responsibility for addressing the racism seemed to be placed mostly on the shoulders of those who were being targeted by it. And that’s why it never stops. Because (when we are able to recognize it) we whites don’t take on racism directly as our collective problem that we need to deal with, whites talking to other white, it goes on and on and “eludes” us.
Same thing with sexism and the glass-ceiling: well-meaning men don’t use their influence with other men, learn to better discern sexism, and intervene when they do. And so it goes with all of the “isms.”

I am glad for the opportunity to share back in this forum.
I am concerned however, that there were such big missings in these pieces that has now been read by so many in your audience, many of whom won’t have the opportunity to learn of these important distinctions and the deeper education and awareness building that is so greatly needed. I’m sure Mr. Owens and I would both be happy to contribute in future Most Vital Conversations on this topic.

Veronica Adams
Riding the Wave Training & Development

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By: Greg Owens https://cruciallearning.com/blog/changing-racist-behavior/#comment-791 Thu, 15 Apr 2010 14:25:46 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=648#comment-791 I was very happy to see you take on this important and timely issue. It is a difficult thing to discuss and is often handled poorly or not at all. I strongly recommended that organizations consider the Undoing Racism training by The People Institute, which has a 30 year history of training in how to develop and support anti-racist practice and policy. Most organizations believe that personal and interpersonal acts of racism are the only level that they can address incidents, but there is a need to consider and train in the institutional and structural nature of racism, and how it has and continue to benefit one group over another. I sent in a note a year or so ago to ask if Vital Smarts had anything that would help to address this through the crucial conversations and confrontations training and was told that you had not specifically dealt with the subject. I am encouraged to see this response and effort.

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By: Judith Berry https://cruciallearning.com/blog/changing-racist-behavior/#comment-790 Thu, 15 Apr 2010 01:58:29 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=648#comment-790 A conscious effort that supervisors may want to consider is to notice in a meeting whether the minority employee is the only one who does not get the chance to finish a complete sentence or thought. In other words, when the minority is cut off, the supervisor can say, “will you restate your question, I did not hear your complete thought, I think I like where you are going and would like to hear more.”

Another another note, this example is when employees have been called to a meeting to do a run through or dress rehearsal for preparation of a larger meeting. In this situation the entire group is reviewing PPT slides, handouts, etc. and the minority employee begins to ask questions or contributes comments and recommends, the majority staff then begins an interuption of the minority speaking by turning his/her body to everybody except to the minority and say, “The VP wants to make sure that you proofread this Bob.” The statement sounds pretty innocent until that statement is repeated three other times during the meeting only when the minority speaks. The minority ascertains that the majority employee was allowed to say, “Shut up and your opinion is not valued.” During the meeting, the highest ranking executive in attendance should work hard to get the minority included in the conversation again. This can happen by the executive simply saying, “There is a lot of synergy in the room and I want to make sure that we get all of the recommendations recorded, Barb (minority employee), can you repeat what you said about XYZ, I did not get your complete thought down on paper. If there is a notetaker, the executive can also say, “And, notetaker will you also make sure that you get Barb’s suggestion.” By using these two statements together will give the other employees the message that the hidden racism is not tolerated.

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By: lynne smith https://cruciallearning.com/blog/changing-racist-behavior/#comment-789 Wed, 14 Apr 2010 22:56:14 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=648#comment-789 In my company we have no noticable racism and i think this is because we promote women and men of all races to positions of authority. That is the best statement a company can make to show it supports diversity and will not tolerate racism.

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By: David Maxfield https://cruciallearning.com/blog/changing-racist-behavior/#comment-788 Wed, 14 Apr 2010 22:46:50 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=648#comment-788 I love getting these responses. The newsletter format limits us to a small word count. We often feel as if we’re writing Haiku answers to Epic questions. Your thoughtful additions allow me to reach for a more nuanced and complex response.
First, Elizabeth and Rachel are absolutely on target when they differentiate between accidental (often subtle) forms of racism and the more intentional (often blatant) forms I focused on in my original response. I hope you’ll take a minute to read the article, Silent Judgment, which I co-authored with Joan Reede, MD, the Dean for Diversity and Community Outreach at Harvard Medical School. (http://www.vitalsmarts.com/userfiles/File/pdf/Silent_judgment.pdf)
In the article we identify several subtle, unintentional kinds of actions that can cause us to be labeled as bigots.
One crucial distinction is intent. Is it a blunder or an attack? Are we embarrassed when we realize how we’ve come across, or are we happy to have scored a hit? When the intent is positive, then education is the answer. People don’t want to be rude to each other, but can use a dose of skills. As John Carey points out, this education should be a two-way street. Hopefully, people who share mutual purpose and respect can decide whether the phrase “brown bag” is okay.
Another crucial distinction is degree of harm. Are we talking about hurt feelings or are people being verbally threatened and physically attacked. I used the example of leaders bringing in private detectives. This was in a town where racially motivated violence was common. It did not feel like an overreaction. Of course the Influencer approach is to involve “all six sources of influence,” so you can imagine that a lot of dialogue, education, new policies, and the like were used in addition to the detectives.
Sally points out that employees sometimes claim they are being discriminated against, when it’s really all about their performance. Managers need to hold people accountable for their performance. Managers shouldn’t use “fear of being called a racist” as an excuse for not managing. As Dan Yoakam said, the issue isn’t skin color; it’s whether I meet the expectations of the job.
I’ll finish with another point Dan Yoakam makes. Free speech and racism can come into conflict. And, in the workplace, we usually give up certain rights to free speech as a part of our employment contract. In judicial language we have “the right to autonomy,” which allows us to enter into contracts that abridge our other rights. As a result, most organizations have confidentiality policies; most don’t allow us to criticize the firm or its leadership—at least not in print; and many will fire us if we represent the company in a way that hurts its reputation.
Having a policy regarding racist talk and action—even talk and action outside the workplace—is well within an organization’s legal rights. Finding that a manager is a member of an internet hate group is grounds for termination—even if he or she is a model citizen in the workplace—because it hurts the organization’s reputation or brand.
However, we should never expect rules, enforcement, and punishment will, by themselves, change hearts and minds. They only touch Source 5 of our Six Sources of Influence. When our goal is to change hearts, minds, and behaviors, then we need to employ all Six Sources.

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