Comments on: Kerrying On: Whose Line Is It Anyway? https://cruciallearning.com/blog/kerrying-on-whose-line-is-it-anyway/ VitalSmarts is now Crucial Learning Wed, 27 Aug 2014 21:13:29 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.2 By: Rebecca Ambrose https://cruciallearning.com/blog/kerrying-on-whose-line-is-it-anyway/#comment-3640 Wed, 27 Aug 2014 21:13:29 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=5452#comment-3640 In reply to Krista Hirschmann.

I, too, was troubled by the “blank slate” assertion. In education we work hard to help teachers see that their students have a host of ideas, many of which they have figured out for themselves. To elaborate on this point, babies can discriminate between two and three objects at a very young age. As they grow older, they figure out a lot of mathematics from their observations of the world. While explicit teaching can help raise awareness, children construct knowledge, and as Piaget would tell you, calling them blank slates does not give them credit for the powerful thinking they are capable of.

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By: Kirk https://cruciallearning.com/blog/kerrying-on-whose-line-is-it-anyway/#comment-3639 Wed, 27 Aug 2014 19:44:45 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=5452#comment-3639 In reply to Barry Seidenstat.

I was having thoughts akin to your drive in experience. Good thing you got support from others at the scene! In the author’s experiment, the line cutter apologized and retreated. But what if the line cutter exploded in foul language and refused to leave when challenged politely? We all see cases where our fellow humans depart from social norms and are rewarded for doing so. I really have to fight against my instincts and dig deep for the courage to speak up, and find it doesn’t always have a story-book ending when I do so.

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By: Harlan Cohen https://cruciallearning.com/blog/kerrying-on-whose-line-is-it-anyway/#comment-3638 Wed, 27 Aug 2014 18:56:24 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=5452#comment-3638 But what happened in the Candy – Rebecca relationship? What advice did Rebecca receive about repairing and mending relationships?

Does Candy remember that incident and did it impact her relationships after that?

Was there a reward incorporated into patching up the relationship for both parties?

Would you recommend a reward for both parties in patching up a relationship?

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By: Harlan Cohen https://cruciallearning.com/blog/kerrying-on-whose-line-is-it-anyway/#comment-3637 Wed, 27 Aug 2014 18:47:05 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=5452#comment-3637 In reply to Wendy Biela.

Eventually we’ll have an app for the rude teenage drivers. Record the license plate from your smart phone and a text message will be sent to the parent. A cross between the insurance company’s car monitor and those pesky street cameras that record a traffic violation to produce a civil violation.

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By: Rick Harris https://cruciallearning.com/blog/kerrying-on-whose-line-is-it-anyway/#comment-3636 Wed, 27 Aug 2014 17:58:51 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=5452#comment-3636 I just had a conversation this morning with my wife regarding the rearing and teaching of our sons. Although our conversation was much more general, and we didn’t use the term “social script,” we did touch on this topic of teaching social skills. With this prior conversation bouncing around in my brain, reading your article really got me thinking. One of the skills that _most_ humans are born with is the innate ability to learn. I think there’s likely much broader application, but in particular I’m thinking about the ability to learn such things as social scripts. But his is not always the case: I am the father of an Asperger’s kid, and he definitely does not learn these things naturally or easily. We have had to learn ourselves to be much more conscious and direct with teaching him things like social scripts. He has worked very hard over his young life (just turned 15) to develop this learning skill, however, and does an amazingly good job it. Apart from this, however, he would be the guy in the line for the movies who observed the “good” script and when his chance came such observation would play no part whatsoever in his response–for him most things are very black and white: if he judged that the guy who cut in line was “out of line” (pun intended) then he would tell him, very directly and without much social grace. And if he judged that no response was necessary, he’d keep his mouth shut. And what he had observed as the model a few minutes before would be immaterial, because he wouldn’t _naturally_ make the connection from that situation to his own. In his b/w world, they were two distinct incidents, and so why should his response be related in any way to the first? At a minimum they involved completely two completely different sets of people. It was a different time of day. The first guy was wearing a hat and cut in from a different angle than the second, who was hatless. Etc.–you get the picture. But, again, this is how he would be if he hadn’t learned how to learn such things. I do think, now, that instead of the picture I just painted above he would be in your 80% who learned the lesson. It just wouldn’t happen naturally or subconsciously for him–he would have to consciously choose to observe, process, make the connections, and with effort expand the scope of what it might apply to beyond just the single incident, and then finally synthesize a hypothetical situation with himself in the middle of it. Sounds daunting, at least to me, but thankfully the strengths that seem to have come along with his AS more than make up for the few “weaknesses” (not really sure they are, but that’s a topic for a different conversation) that it brings, and he has a brain that can process such complex “calculations” with rather frightening speed. He just needs to be given the formula. And the right trigger points for when to use it. And the…ah, never mind–you get the point! This was an excellent and very though-provoking post, and a very good reminder that I need to be more intentional in my efforts along these lines–not everybody is the 80% who get it naturally, through absorption. Thank you. -RH

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By: Barry Seidenstat https://cruciallearning.com/blog/kerrying-on-whose-line-is-it-anyway/#comment-3635 Wed, 27 Aug 2014 17:52:17 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=5452#comment-3635 Interesting. We were in line at a Sonic drive-thru. This guy in a big pick-up cut directly in front of me and 10 other cars behind me. I got out of my car and politely suggested we had been waiting in line. He challenged me to meet him in the back alley. The other drivers behind me started getting out of their cars as well. Eventually the manager asked the driver to leave.

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By: M Hart https://cruciallearning.com/blog/kerrying-on-whose-line-is-it-anyway/#comment-3634 Wed, 27 Aug 2014 15:03:44 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=5452#comment-3634 This is great! I’m using it with my faculty of middle school teachers this week. Social skills in middle school need constant attention due to the nature of pre-teens. Thanks!

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By: Krista Hirschmann https://cruciallearning.com/blog/kerrying-on-whose-line-is-it-anyway/#comment-3633 Wed, 27 Aug 2014 14:08:01 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=5452#comment-3633 While I completely appreciate the point you are trying to make about social scripts, I encourage you to talk to a midwife, OB or pediatrician about all the amazing reflexes and instincts healthy babies are born with (like crawling to breast immediately after birth). They may not be guppies, but humans are most definitely not blank slates.

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By: Kerrying On: Whose Line Is It Anyway? | All Thi... https://cruciallearning.com/blog/kerrying-on-whose-line-is-it-anyway/#comment-3632 Wed, 27 Aug 2014 14:04:20 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=5452#comment-3632 […] It was a Saturday morning in the summer of 1980, the front doorbell chimed, and my seven-year-old daughter Rebecca ran to see who was there. It turned out to be her best friend, Candy, who smiled a…  […]

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By: Wendy Biela https://cruciallearning.com/blog/kerrying-on-whose-line-is-it-anyway/#comment-3631 Wed, 27 Aug 2014 14:01:01 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=5452#comment-3631 This was very intersting! I will keep an eye out for using this method. Now if we could only find a way to apply this to rude drivers. 🙂

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