Comments on: Kerrying On: Sound the Alarm https://cruciallearning.com/blog/kerrying-on-sound-the-alarm/ VitalSmarts is now Crucial Learning Thu, 14 Nov 2013 13:03:56 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.2 By: Julinda https://cruciallearning.com/blog/kerrying-on-sound-the-alarm/#comment-3175 Thu, 14 Nov 2013 13:03:56 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=5011#comment-3175 In reply to Julinda.

I wanted to clarify – when I say, “I’ve commented on several of your articles but this is the first time my comment has been negative,” I am referring to Kerry Patterson articles specifically. I have saved, shared, and loved several of the heartwarming tales!

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By: Shana https://cruciallearning.com/blog/kerrying-on-sound-the-alarm/#comment-3174 Thu, 14 Nov 2013 06:57:26 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=5011#comment-3174 I have been an avid follower of Vital Smarts for some time, yet this is the first time I can wholeheartedly recall disagreeing with an article. In fairness, I follow Vital Smarts content for the value I find in learning to hold crucial conversations. This article seems to stray from the subject of how to hold a conversation, but rather purports a very specific viewpoint regarding the content of a particular conversation. It is that content which raises concern.

While my scientific education, including a Bachelors and a Masters degree from highly reputable universities, holds personal value, it has by no means been a road to a secure career or minimal financial security. I believe we must be more honest in our discussions, particularly with those making early choices regarding their careers, about the dirth of available jobs in many scientific and technical fields. There is simply a larger supply of educated and competent individuals than are positions available which value such expertise.

My expertise is as a biologist focusing in the environmental and marine sciences. However, in interacting with other scientists, I have found similar career difficulties faced by those in a wide array of fields. A recent opinion piece from a well regarded engineering organization highlighted some of these issues: “The STEM Crisis is a Myth” (http://spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/education/the-stem-crisis-is-a-myth).

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By: Joseph Molenda https://cruciallearning.com/blog/kerrying-on-sound-the-alarm/#comment-3173 Mon, 04 Nov 2013 21:18:15 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=5011#comment-3173 This article was thought-provoking, and reminded me of my 21-year-old daughter’s recent decision to drastically switch majors and colleges. Our daughter (I’ll call her Julienne) was in her sophomore year at prestigious New York school that enticed her as a freshman with a generous scholarship offer. Julienne had spent a great deal of the eight years leading up to her high school graduation as a rising local talent in musical and Shakespearean theater. She started in community theater productions and advanced into semi-professional theater, working with some of the region’s top adult talent. She declared her major as performing arts with a business minor, desiring Broadway, but also wanting eventually to help shape other young talents in her own theater group. Her talent garnered local print recognition, as well as accolades of some jaded theatergoers from Broadway’s golden age (late 1950s-60s). It seemed she was destined to make a career from her natural abilities.

But then, not quite halfway through her first sophomore semester, Julienne shocked her mother, me, our family, and friends by announcing she wanted to pursue a career as a college professor in mathematics and applied physics! Julienne had been an honor student in high school, and we knew she had ability in math. She had tutored middle schoolers in math part-time while attending college in New York. What we didn’t know was that Julienne had met some math professors and students and on weekends was working on proofs with them at Carnegie Mellon in Washington, D.C. But we weren’t prepared for this drastic a switch, and grilled Julienne thoroughly to see how deeply she felt about this change and the challenges it posed.

During our conversations, Julienne confided that she found theatrical performing “too easy,” and despite the fiercely competitive nature of that business, she wanted something more personally challenging. She said that too many of her peers were looking for “the easiest, highest-paying job they could find.” Julienne found that work attitude reprehensible. What good would come of her, or her generation, if everyone took the easy way out? Didn’t this country become great because of people who took up the challenge of difficulty, or the unknown, and worked at it? She showed us a YouTube recording of a famous astrophysicist who gave a convincing case for math for all high school students, because of the problem-solving skills the discipline of math puts into the brain. He pointed out that those skills can be applied to any job, not just those of scientists and engineeers.

I was dumbfounded that this realization came from the mind and voice of our own one-time Broadway ingenue. Of course, to my wife and me as parents, the proof of the desire is in the doing, not just the speaking. But Julienne is now working hard, successfully meeting the challenges of the new path she has chosen. She is writing her own personal “proof.” She also has taken up mountaineering and photography, and even performs now and then. And her mother and I couldn’t be prouder.

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By: Joyce Wilson https://cruciallearning.com/blog/kerrying-on-sound-the-alarm/#comment-3172 Thu, 24 Oct 2013 13:47:20 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=5011#comment-3172 This was a great read! I couldn’t agree more about the points that were made. A student needs to apply themselves and do what it takes to “learn and excel” at every level while a student – if they want to have a better future/career opportunities later in life. There, of course, are always those who by luck or other fortune do not have to “learn or excel” as much as others to have a better future; but for the most of us, this is what it takes. And learning doesn’t stop after you earn the degree. It is a lifelong adventure. I will be sure to pass this article on to many others who have children, especially my own daughters, one of whom has 3 children and the other who is mid-way in obtaining her doctorate degree in order to become a professor at the college level.

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By: Valerie Andruss https://cruciallearning.com/blog/kerrying-on-sound-the-alarm/#comment-3171 Thu, 24 Oct 2013 13:24:51 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=5011#comment-3171 In reply to Trisha Carter.

Thank you, Trisha! I need that, too and will go look

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By: Trisha Carter https://cruciallearning.com/blog/kerrying-on-sound-the-alarm/#comment-3170 Wed, 23 Oct 2013 23:08:54 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=5011#comment-3170 Thanks Kerry. Great points – I would also add a pointer to the research of Carole Dweck -if people haven’t heard of her they could start with this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGvR_0mNpWM#t=1525 Her work focuses on our mindset and the importance of teaching kids to have a growth mindset rather than a fixed ability mindset.
Like your example above I have spent most of my life having a fixed ability mindset around my quantitative abilities -“I’m good at verbal but not as skilled numerically” “useless at stats” “can’t do excel”. After reading Carole’s research and applying it with family and clients I realised I needed to put it into practice myself. So “I am working on my numerical skills” “I am improving in my understanding of stats as I look more closely” etc.
Massive difference for me – and as the research shows for many groups Dweck has worked with.

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By: Kerry Patterson https://cruciallearning.com/blog/kerrying-on-sound-the-alarm/#comment-3169 Wed, 23 Oct 2013 17:15:43 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=5011#comment-3169 In reply to Sharon.

Yes. I have four children and know all about the power of self discovery.

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By: Kerry Patterson https://cruciallearning.com/blog/kerrying-on-sound-the-alarm/#comment-3168 Wed, 23 Oct 2013 17:14:21 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=5011#comment-3168 In reply to Megan Gaffey.

I agree that there is indeed a change coming and there is plenty of evidence to suggest that some people go too far in debt–a point I didn’t make and probably should have pointed out.

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By: Kerry Patterson https://cruciallearning.com/blog/kerrying-on-sound-the-alarm/#comment-3167 Wed, 23 Oct 2013 17:10:51 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=5011#comment-3167 In reply to Julinda.

I couldn’t agree more–it is about the learning. I spent ten years in college and enjoyed every minute. I love to learn more than just about anything.

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By: monica flores https://cruciallearning.com/blog/kerrying-on-sound-the-alarm/#comment-3166 Wed, 23 Oct 2013 16:54:34 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=5011#comment-3166 This article could not have come at a better time. Both of my daughters (4th and 7th grade) are struggling with math and reading comprehension – low test scores. Grades are important but I am more concerned with teaching them how to study and absorb the information they are reading and receiving in class. I like your suggestions on how to approach reading chapters/studying for tests.

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