Comments on: Confronting a Sick Colleague https://cruciallearning.com/blog/confronting-a-sick-colleague/ VitalSmarts is now Crucial Learning Fri, 13 Mar 2020 05:36:44 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.2 By: How to tell your colleague to stay at home when sick? - VitalSmarts India https://cruciallearning.com/blog/confronting-a-sick-colleague/#comment-665 Fri, 13 Mar 2020 05:36:44 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=493#comment-665 […] https://www.vitalsmarts.com/crucialskills/2010/02/confronting-a-sick-colleague/?mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiWmpn… […]

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By: Carol Anderson https://cruciallearning.com/blog/confronting-a-sick-colleague/#comment-664 Wed, 04 Mar 2020 18:20:28 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=493#comment-664 Having worked in a medical environment in times past, the policy is often that employees do not get paid unless they are out sick for more than two day…thus discouraging call offs for reasons other than illness. It puts an employee in a tough position…come to work sick and potentially give it to colleagues and patients or stay home and lose pay. This is a fairly standard policy in the metropolitan area where I live.

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By: Amy https://cruciallearning.com/blog/confronting-a-sick-colleague/#comment-663 Wed, 04 Mar 2020 18:04:41 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=493#comment-663 I think talking about creative solutions is just important. Both sides have valid concerns. Perhaps you let people conference call into meetings. Give people projects that they can accomplish at home so they don’t lose pay. Allow them to make up the time for being sick without pay. Don’t just stop with motivating people. Provide real solutions.

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By: Kim M https://cruciallearning.com/blog/confronting-a-sick-colleague/#comment-662 Wed, 04 Mar 2020 17:53:15 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=493#comment-662 In reply to Al Switzler.

In my place of employment, there is no personal choice. It is required unless you have a VALID medical reason not to get vaccinated. If you do not comply, you are fired, plain and simple. There is no right to chose here

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By: Kim M https://cruciallearning.com/blog/confronting-a-sick-colleague/#comment-661 Wed, 04 Mar 2020 17:46:11 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=493#comment-661 In reply to Dianna.

You are absolutely correct. We have the same system in place. I am a designated employee and I come to work regardless. Absences are not acceptable. If you have an appendage that is hanging off, sew it back on and get back to work. I wish I were joking. I actually ran to code one time, tripped on the edge of a rug, broke my arm and went to the ED. They casted it and sent me back to work, as an RN at the bedside. Not on light duty. There is no going home if there is no one to cover because that is patient abandonment and you lose your job and your license to practice. I am so glad I am retiring in a couple of years. I feel sorry for you younger folks…..

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By: Kim M https://cruciallearning.com/blog/confronting-a-sick-colleague/#comment-660 Wed, 04 Mar 2020 17:42:20 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=493#comment-660 Here we are in 2020 and this is just a prevalent as ever. This is our issue, however. I work in healthcare. If we are out more than 4 times (an occurrence) in any 12 month period, we are disciplined. On the 5th time we are fired. This is what happened to one of me. I was in the hospital in early January-regardless of the reason, it counted as an “occurrence” and so that was my # 1. In February, I came down with a flu like illness. I had to come into work, go to employee health, get tested for the flu (which was type A positive) and then was sent home. Had I tested negative for flu it would have been occurrence # 2, all in the first 3 months of the year. This is the nature of healthcare. You have to come in sick and be sent home with something contagious (flu/strep) or it will count against you. Many times I’ve dragged myself into work just so I could go to employee health to be sent home. Accountability is important, but so is keeping a job to feed your family. This is an at will state. They can fire you at a moments notice, and if your attendance is not up to par, it becomes part of your annual appraisal and follows you everywhere you may go in our health system. You are much better off from a policy standpoint to come in sick and have them send you home, which is the general attitude of all staff who work here. In fact, our policy is more lenient than that of a sister system here in town. This is how flu epidemics start. From a public health perspective, you can literally be the vector that carries the flu to an infirm person who dies because of it. Hospital systems fail miserably at caring for their employees.

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By: Dianna https://cruciallearning.com/blog/confronting-a-sick-colleague/#comment-659 Fri, 05 Feb 2010 13:47:28 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=493#comment-659 At my medical facility, they allow us 6 unscheulded absences per year, before initiating performance write ups. It is very considerate to stay home when sick, but if you have exceeded your alotment for one reason or another,or are anticipating some unscheduled absences, say for a dying family membe;,missing work can have serious consequences.

I disagree with the idea of giving my employer the right to threaten my livehood, by giving untimatums,forcing me to take immunizations that I do not want. I feel like this could lead to other imposed restrictions by my employer,that I feel violate my personal rights and freedoms. Such policies might eventually place all employees at the mercy of their employer.

To add fuel to the fire, many staff providing direct patient care, my unit in particular, have be given a blanket clasification called “designated employees”. This particular clasification requires that you arrive to work on time, even during severe weather conditions,and implies that absence is unacceptable. I was actually told by my supervisor that if you happened to be an employee with attendance problems, this might be all that is needed to terminate your employment.

When employees feel threatened by their employers attendance and occurance policies, they may feel that they have no alternative than to go to work. The irony of the situtation is, that if you do go to work sick and they send you home, you receive an occurance as well.Even good employees fear the consequences of “occurance” penalties.

Surely there must be a better way to address attendance issues.

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By: SLCCOM https://cruciallearning.com/blog/confronting-a-sick-colleague/#comment-658 Fri, 05 Feb 2010 05:48:35 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=493#comment-658 Nevertheless, someone who chooses to not get vaccinated is imposing their beliefs on others via knowngly taking the risk of imposing illnesses on them that are not necessary. As I said, if you choose the principle, you need to, if you are indeed an ethical person, choose the consequences. This includes not making others sick when it was avoidable. If this means it costs you money because you cannot go into work to avoid making others ill, then it should cost YOU the money,not some poor person who is innocently going about their business and gets sick.

Rationalizing that “human beings get sick” is not a justification for imposing your decisions to risk illness and spreading illness on others. If I believe, due to deeply rooted spiritual and religious beliefs, that I only serve my god by running around carrying weapons just in case someone else needs defending, am I entitled to do that even though it makes others uncomfortable?

As Al said, the team needs to set expectations, and in a healthcare setting, the expectation MUST be to not kill vulnerable patients. And if there are no alternative solutions, then those who choose to not get vaccinated need to be the ones to pay the price for their decision.

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By: Al Switzler https://cruciallearning.com/blog/confronting-a-sick-colleague/#comment-657 Thu, 04 Feb 2010 23:00:46 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=493#comment-657 I appreciate the comments and lively discussion brewing here. Certainly, it’s a difficult subject that we’ve all had to face in the past year. I have in no way advocated for or against immunizations and certainly, taking this step is a personal choice that should be respected.

The point that I hope readers do not miss is the importance of setting expectations as a group and then holding to those expectations–no matter the costs. If you don’t wish to get immunized than creatively brainstorm with others alternative solutions such as staying home or working remotely. As teammates, the mutual purpose you should all have (especially in a hospital environment) is not spreading germs beyond what is necessary and by doing so, ensuring a clean, productive, and healthy environment for both staff and clients.

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By: Sunny Rosario https://cruciallearning.com/blog/confronting-a-sick-colleague/#comment-656 Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:26:29 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=493#comment-656 Wow! Please tread lightly on my personal beliefs about medicine and immunizations. I would be perturbed if someone at work told me to get immunized or to go to a doctor. There are some of us “radicals” who would never consider injecting ourselves and don’t believe in “traditional medicine”. For me, it comes from deeply rooted spiritual and religious beliefs about my body. If you are the type of individual who polices sick people at work, then you should consider also taking up the hobby at the grocer, the gym, your church… Let’s face it, human beings get sick. YOU may get sick. It’s part of life, let’s not make it another political workplace battle.

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