Comments on: Before & After: Bringing a Canoe to a Gun Fight https://cruciallearning.com/blog/before-after-bringing-a-canoe-to-a-gun-fight/ VitalSmarts is now Crucial Learning Wed, 23 May 2012 20:31:46 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.2 By: rareay https://cruciallearning.com/blog/before-after-bringing-a-canoe-to-a-gun-fight/#comment-2406 Wed, 23 May 2012 20:31:46 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=2982#comment-2406 @Jay Buckler
Yeah, Jay? Your guess at hearing protection makes sense, but I don’t believe your take on the shooter’s innocence is justified by the author’s description of events. Shooting clay birds does not lead to each shot bringing pellets closer and closer to the canoe.

In some ways, I think the CrucialSkills folks do a disservice when they couch bad communications in terms of ‘silence or violence’ and how to restore ‘safety’. We are a civilized society that only rarely encounters real genuine dangerous violence. When we finally are face to face with genuine violence putting our safety in grave danger, no really, it’s not the time to be thinking about starting with heart. When some random anonymous person is shooting real lead at you, you really should set aside the charitable thoughts about their intentions until you are physically safe.

If you study events involving active shooters and multiple victims, you are likely to encounter accounts of people just standing there, unable to process what’s happening to them, trying to make it fit into their concepts of how disagreements should go. And if you study the ensuing media accounts and public commentary, you will find plenty of folks like Jay arguing that the danger wasn’t as bad as reported, and didn’t justify violent response. It’s a shame.

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By: Jay Buckler https://cruciallearning.com/blog/before-after-bringing-a-canoe-to-a-gun-fight/#comment-2405 Sat, 12 May 2012 03:02:35 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=2982#comment-2405 I seriously doubt the shooter even knew you were there.If you couldn’t see him he couldn’t see you. Likely they had hearing protection on & would hear you anyway.They were probably enjoying their Saturday like you but shooting clay birds. I do fault them for not knowing where their shoot would land tho.

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By: Gwen MacKinnon https://cruciallearning.com/blog/before-after-bringing-a-canoe-to-a-gun-fight/#comment-2404 Thu, 10 May 2012 17:11:51 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=2982#comment-2404 I love canoeing stories! Blissing out in nature and being confronted with an unanticipated, intrusive force. The violence strategy of yelling is absolutely never going to work. Some seconds later, the frontal lobe kicks in. What do I want? Hurrah for reasoning connected with the heart!

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By: rareay https://cruciallearning.com/blog/before-after-bringing-a-canoe-to-a-gun-fight/#comment-2403 Thu, 10 May 2012 12:28:15 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=2982#comment-2403 Huh. I can’t say that I think the mindset or reasoning of John C was the slightest bit relevant, but his chosen action (to row the heck away ASAP) was the right one. If someone has decided to put your life in danger, thinking about what to SAY is only wasting precious seconds.

This isn’t exactly the time to sit there and figure out if they’re using silence or violence…

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By: Rochelle Arellano https://cruciallearning.com/blog/before-after-bringing-a-canoe-to-a-gun-fight/#comment-2402 Wed, 09 May 2012 19:08:38 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=2982#comment-2402 Did you report this to local authorities after getting to safety? Seems like they were trying to frighten you away, and there may have been a very serious situation behind all of the shooting.

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By: grizzly bear mom https://cruciallearning.com/blog/before-after-bringing-a-canoe-to-a-gun-fight/#comment-2401 Wed, 09 May 2012 15:53:19 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=2982#comment-2401 Crucial Conversations saved someone’s life! You couldn’t ask for a better endorsement than this.

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