Comments on: Kerrying On: Stay Away from the Churning Waters https://cruciallearning.com/blog/kerrying-on-stay-away-from-the-churning-waters/ VitalSmarts is now Crucial Learning Tue, 08 Mar 2022 16:30:19 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.2 By: Elwik https://cruciallearning.com/blog/kerrying-on-stay-away-from-the-churning-waters/#comment-331 Tue, 15 Jun 2010 22:50:39 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=325#comment-331 Nice information, many thanks to the author. It really is incomprehensible if you ask me now, playing with general, the usefulness and significance has me overwhelmed. Thank you and good luck!

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By: Pam https://cruciallearning.com/blog/kerrying-on-stay-away-from-the-churning-waters/#comment-330 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:32:35 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=325#comment-330 Loved the story! I’ll have to admit, I had no idea where you were going with it, and then was surprised where we ended up. But it’s a perfect analogy for the situation on which you were reflecting. Thank you.

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By: Lois https://cruciallearning.com/blog/kerrying-on-stay-away-from-the-churning-waters/#comment-329 Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:42:54 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=325#comment-329 @DrRuss
Regarding this comment and others that point out we sometimes need to go into the churning waters–you’re right, sometimes there is a NEED to go into those waters. In Kerry’s story and in his caution, however, I see that he is talking about going into the churning waters for entertainment or for personal satisfaction, not to calm the waters or to research what is causing the churning. We need the interveners and researchers; we don’t need folks jumping into the fray just for kicks.

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By: Deborah https://cruciallearning.com/blog/kerrying-on-stay-away-from-the-churning-waters/#comment-328 Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:24:59 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=325#comment-328 Kerry, you are the absolute best story-teller, and this one was riveting. I do agree with others, though, that we also need the people who walk on the edge. That’s how we learn and progress. Keep up the wonderful stories!

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By: bean https://cruciallearning.com/blog/kerrying-on-stay-away-from-the-churning-waters/#comment-327 Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:12:08 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=325#comment-327 russ, teeling, etc. here’s an amen to that view. i think our major point is that kerry’s view is myopic and the “moral of the story” blurs the line between offended and offender. i laughed heartily at the story as most others, but i’m surprised they stopped commenting at that point.

in email i said:
“Don’t engage in socially risky activity. It’s that simple. Don’t tell blonde jokes. Sure, you might get the occasional laugh, but there’s a good chance that you’ll offend someone too. […] If you know what you’re about to do is risky, then don’t do it. Stay five hundred yards away from all things dangerous. Stay away from the churning waters.”

please tell me kerry is testing us to see if we can effectively communicate our response to these quotes because here i go:

first and foremost i’m adding to the pool of shared meaning by saying i received an email in which the above quotations caught my attention. without immediate feedback in an email (something that forces one to take full responsibility for their perspective, a theme i’ll come back to later) i’ll continue to my tentative conclusion: i feel like kerry is basically telling us to be robots at our work place out of deference to fragile egos.

now it isn’t that i don’t appreciate him trying to help us avoid bad feelings at work because i certainly would like to be smoother in my social interactions, but i do want to avoid achieving these things at the cost of the variety i add to the workplace. i don’t want to victimize myself with others’s fragile egos.

in order to achieve these things i usually use a combination of bad jokes, inflammatory and hypocritical comments precisely because the people i work with agree that fragile egos have no place in an environment where everyone’s (not just the fragile ego’s) success is at stake; the comments preserve our right to be wrong as long as we keep our egos in check by not getting mad at people for thinking we’re wrong. certainly a lot of communication requires getting over the fragile ego and crucial skills help that process, but telling us to act like robot’s begs the question of why we should be so dedicated to helping these fragile egos.

we’ve all had the fragile ego experience at least as children and even later in life as artists or whenever we go out on a limb to express something unusual that we look for feedback on. the difference is that as adults we rely on the ability of other adults to take responsibility for their perspective. i.e. we rely on adults to tend their own egos to the extent compatible with not being a hypocrite.

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By: Annetta Wilbon https://cruciallearning.com/blog/kerrying-on-stay-away-from-the-churning-waters/#comment-326 Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:47:30 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=325#comment-326 You are the BEST storyteller because you always use your story to provide a moral to the tale. We need more storytellers like you. I think the power of story is profound and storytelling is a lost art. Thanks for continuing a tradition that I hope never dies.

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By: Steve Shultz https://cruciallearning.com/blog/kerrying-on-stay-away-from-the-churning-waters/#comment-325 Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:00:01 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=325#comment-325 Excellent story, but “it’s easy for you to tell” when you took the gamble, had an adventure, and then tell all to stay away. I’m not sure how effective that technique will be.

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By: Nagesh https://cruciallearning.com/blog/kerrying-on-stay-away-from-the-churning-waters/#comment-324 Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:06:56 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=325#comment-324 An unusually-gripping childhood story told in a wonderful way. But the message – Stay away from churning waters- will not always hold…..for example, a coach hired by a losing team to make them win, or a new CEO hired to bring a company out of troubled waters. Churning waters will always excite intrepid and daring people….just like a breeder is eager to tame wild horses.

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By: Jim https://cruciallearning.com/blog/kerrying-on-stay-away-from-the-churning-waters/#comment-323 Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:15:33 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=325#comment-323 Kerry,
Great story. You are a master story teller. I was truly on the edge of my seat. Your warning to stay away from stupid/insensitive/predjudicial statements is well to be heeded. But, like @John Teeling & @DrRuss, I think we need to be careful not to steer away from all dangerous conversations.

Your “punch line” at the end overstates the lesson. By staying away from *all things dangerous* we’re going to miss out on a some of the richest conversations that are to be had. There’s a big difference between being stupidly insensitive to others and avoiding conversational risk. Given the messages of your books, Crucial Conversation and Crucial Confrontations, I suspect that’s not what you meant to say.

Keep writing!

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By: Kathy https://cruciallearning.com/blog/kerrying-on-stay-away-from-the-churning-waters/#comment-322 Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:47:31 +0000 http://www.crucialskills.com/?p=325#comment-322 Great article, takes me back to my childhood. But to influence, you do need to speak up, even for culture change. You know the sharks are there.

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