Comments on: “Dealing with” People Who Believe in Covid-19 Conspiracy Theories https://cruciallearning.com/blog/managing-covid-19-conspiracy-theorists-crucial-learning/ VitalSmarts is now Crucial Learning Fri, 18 Feb 2022 17:56:14 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.2 By: 3 tips for talking with angry antivaxxers - TUF https://cruciallearning.com/blog/managing-covid-19-conspiracy-theorists-crucial-learning/#comment-7955 Tue, 14 Dec 2021 07:05:13 +0000 https://www.vitalsmarts.com/crucialskills/?p=8982#comment-7955 […] article is based on one published by Ryan Trimble of Crucial Learning from January 2021.Crucial Learning have wonderful resources for holding difficult […]

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By: Ryan Trimble https://cruciallearning.com/blog/managing-covid-19-conspiracy-theorists-crucial-learning/#comment-7557 Thu, 29 Jul 2021 16:47:23 +0000 https://www.vitalsmarts.com/crucialskills/?p=8982#comment-7557 In reply to Conspiracy Theorist.

Dear Conspiracy Theorist,

Thanks for commenting. I think there’s a lot we agree on. If I hear you correctly, you want the freedom to express your viewpoint, and you don’t want your viewpoint dismissed or suppressed. The ideas I’ve outlined above should help you in your cause, not because they offer a defense of your opinions per se, but because they preserve and foster dialogue. To be clear, I’ve offered not a defense of one opinion or another, but have tried to illuminate how to dialogue so that people of differing viewpoints can disagree openly and meaningfully. Hope that helps.

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By: Petra Liverani https://cruciallearning.com/blog/managing-covid-19-conspiracy-theorists-crucial-learning/#comment-7556 Thu, 29 Jul 2021 03:41:40 +0000 https://www.vitalsmarts.com/crucialskills/?p=8982#comment-7556 In reply to Marilla.

Karla, From Day One I predicted that the science would show there was no “novel” coronavirus and when the scientific evidence emerged it was clear there wasn’t one. One strategy employed to suppress voices who do not accept what what the authorities tell us is to fragment opinion among us. If we all believed the same thing in unison it would be much more powerful but when we all believe different things it weakens us.

Dr Sam Bailey is a medical doctor whose first claim to fame was being the first person to set up a telehealth service (SwiftMed) in New Zealand although I believe she no longer runs that service.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/tv-guide/114100417/the-checkups-dr-samantha-bailey-on-the-pros-and-cons-of-online-consultations

You can see she’s very well regarded by her patients:
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/swiftmed.co.nz

Sam has been putting out videos on health on YouTube for a couple of years and when “COVID” struck she branched out and started posting analysis that refutes what are being told by media and government. She is also one of four co-authors of the highly recommended book, Virus Mania.

Her latest video is an excellent analysis exposing the scientific fraud conducted to create the alleged pandemic.
https://odysee.com/@drsambailey:c/Once-Upon-A-Time-in-Wuhan-Odysee-Exclusive-Comp:2

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By: Conspiracy Theorist https://cruciallearning.com/blog/managing-covid-19-conspiracy-theorists-crucial-learning/#comment-7555 Wed, 28 Jul 2021 19:53:41 +0000 https://www.vitalsmarts.com/crucialskills/?p=8982#comment-7555 So, I ask you Mr. Ryan Trimble , or rather contemplate… just how do we “deal with” those that oppose our thoughts and our beliefs?

Surely, we can’t allow for individuality and or the right to question the world around us. Those who questioned in the past should be utterly chastened and scorned by our 21st century enlighted society. Perhaps they should not have questioned things so we could continue to prescribe smoking to pregnant women, use lead paint, build with asbestos, use talc powder, spray Round-Up, perform lobotomy’s and prescribe those highly effective opioids. Surely, those people who questioned that our world is not flat not so long ago… must repent as we all knew that was not true.

America is supposed to be place where competing ideas are debated, contested, questioned and ultimately coexist. Why would anyone question the vaccine? I thought we believed for “inclusion”, “diversity” and “tolerance”, or was that just a fancy slogan to for a bumper sticker? Personally, I think is that those people are covering their insecurities and fragmented souls with a garment of moral and cognitive superiority.

It’s a subversive way to convince ourselves that if we compel others to think like us, we don’t have to worry when we’re wrong… because we’re all wrong. Modern day society doesn’t allow for individualism, group thought is your new master, you can’t live with your decisions, people must look to someone to tell them what to believe, what to think and what to be. This is a compulsion and it can’t stop until the world is all like them.
We have created a language of political correctness that is censorship. We have allowed the voice of the group, or whoever claims to represent the group, not only to speak for the individual, but sometimes to shout down the individual if his or her story does not fit with an approved narrative for which they push.

So, Mr. Ryan Trimble, if that questioning my world, proposing alternative ideas, and believing in the individual spirt, I guess I am a conspiracy theorist. I don’t I have the perfect answers and neither does anyone else, but if you have conviction, then your answers are perfect for you.

Plus, I’ll call BS on this article right off the bat, “I’m speaking directly because…. Paragraph, try to relate emotionally to the audience to gain their trust, oldest trick in the art of deception hand book.

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By: Marilla https://cruciallearning.com/blog/managing-covid-19-conspiracy-theorists-crucial-learning/#comment-7554 Wed, 28 Jul 2021 18:26:57 +0000 https://www.vitalsmarts.com/crucialskills/?p=8982#comment-7554 In reply to Karla L. Tompkins.

Dear Karla, I appreciate your respectful recognition that a minority of us have valid concerns about health care. Our younger son was born in the Charity clinic of Vanderbilt hospital, one of the country’s most reputable teaching hospitals. I learned onair decades later it was successfully sued for giving 829 unsuspecting pregnant mothers radioactive iron pills in the late 1940’s to study the effects! It’s true that many Republicans believe COVID is a total hoax, but it’s also true that a smaller minority of us believe it’s a manufactured construct invented as part of the Depart. of Defense’s arsenal of gain of function biological weapons, which Fauci has headed since the early 1990’s. I believe he also is one of the patent holders, which I would believe is a conflict of interest.

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By: Ryan Trimble https://cruciallearning.com/blog/managing-covid-19-conspiracy-theorists-crucial-learning/#comment-7553 Wed, 28 Jul 2021 18:07:55 +0000 https://www.vitalsmarts.com/crucialskills/?p=8982#comment-7553 In reply to Andrew T..

Thanks, Andrew.

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By: Andrew T. https://cruciallearning.com/blog/managing-covid-19-conspiracy-theorists-crucial-learning/#comment-7552 Wed, 28 Jul 2021 18:04:19 +0000 https://www.vitalsmarts.com/crucialskills/?p=8982#comment-7552 Ryan,

A few months ago, your group published a response to a similar covid question. I don’t remember the specific question, nor do I remember the details on the response. I do remember that my reaction to the response was disappointment. The response did not reflect the quality work/thought your group normally puts into these examples.

Now, reading this, my response is a hearty approval. What you posted is excellent. Thank you.

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By: Tina M Reeves https://cruciallearning.com/blog/managing-covid-19-conspiracy-theorists-crucial-learning/#comment-7551 Wed, 28 Jul 2021 13:13:40 +0000 https://www.vitalsmarts.com/crucialskills/?p=8982#comment-7551 SO refreshing to read something so positive! Imagine trying to find common ground in today’s arena instead of the bickering and slamming when any news comes on!

Though your encouraging article was directed primarily at the current events, I pictured a conversation I had with my 20-year old recently. With her young and differing mindset, I must always first be kind then, as your article states, be curious about why she thinks the way she does and how she comes up with the ideas she does – in the most respectful manner possible. If she realizes I am respecting her outlook, she happily engages in a deeper conversation with me.

And above all, do not attempt to sway the other party to your opinion!

Thank you so much for your uplifting, timely article! I will be forwarding it to others!

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By: Scott Stein https://cruciallearning.com/blog/managing-covid-19-conspiracy-theorists-crucial-learning/#comment-7550 Wed, 28 Jul 2021 12:26:51 +0000 https://www.vitalsmarts.com/crucialskills/?p=8982#comment-7550 No conspiracy theorist here…but looking at and tracking the data on Johns Hopkins, also not a true believer that Covid (2% fatality rate) is even relatively close to the Plague (50% fatality rate in the Middle Ages) as some with to portray it. To try to talk with anyone about the data only gets me shunned and dismissed as an “out of touch” nut. It seems that I cannot have a difference of opinion without being marginalized by others who will not answer my challenges using data.

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By: Petra Liverani https://cruciallearning.com/blog/managing-covid-19-conspiracy-theorists-crucial-learning/#comment-7549 Mon, 14 Jun 2021 04:58:47 +0000 https://www.vitalsmarts.com/crucialskills/?p=8982#comment-7549 In reply to Julinda.

I only saw your comment now, Julinda. The caveat, “at least in early stages” is important. COVID-19 does not have a distinctive set of symptoms period and nor is there a gold standard test for it (of course, a distinctive set of symptoms would function as a gold standard test). “Cases” are not clinically diagnosed, “cases” are simply people who’ve tested positive to the PCR test which is shown not to be a reliable test. So many more problems but I’ll leave it there.

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